Subject: Re: USA Today "Road Rage" article From: lang*lotz@teleport.com (BKL) Date: 1997/08/14 Message-Id: <33f3375a.81694853@news.teleport.com> Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:21:12 -0600, "Dr. Driving"wrote: >Most drivers have trouble being >courteous, not following too close, obeying all signals, signalling turns >and lane changes, always trying to be safe and competent and not be in >anybody's way. You assume far too little of the typical driver. This attitude is reminiscent of the "everyone else drives like an idiot except me" mantra. When roads are designed properly, and laws are established rationally, the typical motorist is remarkably safe and sensible.
Talk to a traffic engineer about how roads and speed limits are (or should be) designed so that motorists instinctively do the right things. However, using social engineering ("speed kills", "slow down", "just relax") to undermine traffic engineering causes the road rage problems arise.
Example: A system built on fund raising from single minded enforcement of unjustifiably low speed limits, with the neglect of enforcing lane discipline laws, use of turn signals, etc. A little proper enforcement would do a world of good at smoothing out our traffic and tempers.
Not many freeway shootings in Montana or Germany, are there? -- Ben Lang1otz National Motorists Association, Oregon Chapter Coordinator
In article <33f3375a.81694853@news.teleport.com>, lang*lotz@teleport.com (BKL) wrote: >You assume far too little of the typical driver. This attitude is >reminiscent of the "everyone else drives like an idiot except me" >mantra. When roads are designed properly, and laws are established >rationally, the typical motorist is remarkably safe and sensible." > Ben Lang1otz > National Motorists Association, Oregon Chapter Coordinator ++++++++++
Perhaps this might represent your own ideal, but the reality is that surveys everywhere have shown that between one third and half of all drivers report aggressive driving as their no. 1 daily stress and danger problem. Besides breaking speed limits, common offenses are following too close, improper lane changes, not obeying signals, and reckless driving (not specified).
Leon James (aka Dr. Driving)
Subject: Re: Speed Cameras and the tickets?! From: John Burns
> > > It would also have the advantage that persistent transgressors who > > > tend also to be the most aggressive drivers, would get weeded-out > > > and (via the points system) ultimately forced off the roads, leading > > > eventually to safer roads. > > > I can't believe some people actually believe that :-( > > Why not? Don't you believe that drivers respond to enforcement > conditions?
No, I can't believe you think that all fast drivers are agressive. I'm not an agressive driver but do drive quickly. I know very few people (actually nobody) who drives within the speed limit all the time. Most have clean licences and are not agressive. This is just a stereotype.
From: "Dr. Driving"Subject: Re: Speed Cameras and the tickets?! Newsgroups: uk.transport Message-Id: <871887851.29913@dejanews.com>
In article <33eb4c00.580b@unixnerd.demon.co.uk>, John Burns
I've studied this problem for years, analyzing driving behaviors
and organizing them into categories, etc. -- you can see some of my efforts here:
It means doing one or more of these things: 1) greater than average number of lane changes 2) following closer than the driver ahead is comfortable being followed 3) forcing your car into spaces smaller than the person behind feels safe 4) speeding up to stop signs and lights, even with pedestrians in view 5) screeching the tires (turns, parking garages, street lights) 6) not making full stops as required by law even when others are around 7) yelling at your passengers or treating them bad in some way 8) swearing at other drivers, even with children present 9) contributing to an environment of stress, intolerance, dangerousness 10) etc. you can add your own here....
The point then is this: aggressive driving is a whole spectrum of things, referring to a style and attitude. Can you relate to that??
Leon James
Subject: Re: WEW 7057 - The Cause Of Road Rage From: "Dr. Driving"
In article <33e73013.4432112@news.pacific.net.sg>, nails@pacific.SPAMMERSDIE.net.sg wrote: > sand is not that effective until it goes into the engine and most cars > have filters for their fuel lines... sugar is best...
> On Sun, 03 Aug 1997 18:22:32 -0700, The Tan Sri >
Friends, did you know that your aggressive joking is read by people all over the world? I'm from Hawaii and I'm known on the Internet as "Dr. Driving" (visit my Page...). I think the original question in this thread was relevant to us all: how do we handle road rage and other aggressive driving problems??
I've studied this problem for years. Two steps are required: First, acknowledge and accept that this is a moral issue, a spiritual issue, a civic issue, a human rights issue -- on account of the fact that expressions of road rage and aggressive driving is a violation of a human rights, is it not?? Just as that driver who took your parking space was being unfair, so we can be unfair by fantasizing all sorts of violent and demeaning acts against him.
Second: lets help one another acquire the emotional skills or intelligence, to handle routine driving exchanges such as getting cut off or blocked or provoked, etc. Various exercises we can do to gain tolerance and forgiving.
Leon James (aka Dr. Driving)
From: "Dr. Driving"
In article <33e9c38e.1413926@news.pacific.net.sg>, nails@pacific.SPAMMERSDIE.net.sg wrote: > but doc... it was all in jest... or at least i hope so, coz mine > was... the sugar bit is real tho'... at least, if someone tried these > methods, no one gets a broken skull or killed, just a seriously messed > up car... ++++++++++
Jesting about road rage isn't recommended! Because it encourages fantasies of violence. These are bad for two reasons. First, it strengthens and maintains the road rage tendency within all of us, allowing it to break into open violence or open forms of hostility at unpredictable moments, leading you to acts you'll regret in your normal state, but will have to deal with the negative consequences.
Second, jesting about road rage weakens our moral conscience. Violence becomes more acceptable to contemplate. It corrupts spiritually because we're not shocked by the idea of torturing another human being.
It's best to discuss this seriously -- how we train ourselves to re-gain control over our emotions behind the wheel. It's not easy....
Leon James (aka Dr. Driving)
Subject: Re: USA Today "Road Rage" article From: "Paul Zrimsek"Dr. DrivingDate: 1997/08/22 Message-Id: <01bcaf46$8a96ee50$0c2116ac@pzrimsek> Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,dc.driving,uk.transport [More Headers]
Subject: Re: USA Today "Road Rage" article From: Gumbyy@tamu.edu (Marc) Date: 1997/08/22 Message-Id: <33fe0721.24790159@news.tamu.edu> Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving [More Headers] jcwx@earth.execpc.com (John Weir) said: >Dr. Driving (DrDriving@aloha.net) wrote: >: In article <33f0009a.6295998@news.tamu.edu>, >: Gumbyy@tamu.edu (Marc) wrote:>: Hey, Marc, as Dr. Driving, I'd like to give you an award for competent >: and supportive driving!! >Jesus......sounds like Marc is respectable now. Eeuuwww It's libel. I'll sue. No one calls me respectable and gets away with it. >HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO(gasp)Marc! Supportive! HOHOHOHOHOHO (wheez) HAHAHAHAHA >My (whew!) condolences Marc. It sounds like you are ready for a convent >or something. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) It'd take some surgery and hormone treatement to get me ready for a convent, but a monestary would probably take me as I am... >And what, pray tell, are these dimwits going to do with your >testimony? Enact legislation that qualifies someone who is >accused of 'woad wage' worthy of the chair? Don't they have >some subsidies to award? Speaking of subsidies, if he gets Woad Wage TM declared a disease, can I sue the gvt for giving me a ticked hased on my disability? Sue my insurance for raising rates for my disability? Hey, maybe then I could get one of those handicapped placards for my car, since I'd then be "disabled" in the eyes of the gvt. Maybe this isn't so bad after all... Marc
Subject: Re: USA Today "Road Rage" article From: Gumbyy@tamu.edu (Marc) Date: 1997/08/22 Message-Id: <33fe0526.24283258@news.tamu.edu> Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,dc.driving,uk.transport [More Headers]"Dr. Driving"
From bgoodric@filebank.com Wed Sep 10 12:37:03 1997 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:31:28 -1000 From: "W.E. 'Bill' Goodrich, PhD"To: DrDriving@aloha.net Subject: Paparazzi rage and road rage Dr. James, While I am primarily a psychotherapist (rather than a researcher), I was part of a team which analysed a privately commissioned study of "road rage" related issues a few years ago. After reading your "Paparazzi rage" articles in sci.psychology.misc, I have just looked at your web site and some of the included references. I have been struck by two apparent omissions: 1) historical correlations, and 2) analysis of the non-overtly aggressive drivers (the "other" driver in many of your anecdotes). And in particular, any analysis of the way the two combine to "set the stage" for the situations you describe. Historically, the shift seems to relate to four trends: an ongoing increase in traffic density (which you do address), The Oil-embargo inspired campaign to reduce national traffic speeds (accompanied, significantly, with "slow it down" propaganda campaigns associating slower driving with patriotism), the (in some cases related) reduction of priority on enforcing prohibitions on traffic obstruction (going slower than other traffic in other than the right-hand lane, cutting off lane changes, failure to pull over and let "backed up" traffic pass on one-lane roads, etc.), and the (early '80s "me generation") shift of the primary national paradigm from the post-WWII one of cooperation to one of competition. While the speed campaign has shifted from an energy/resource issue to a "safety" issue, the "national interest" angle has remained. In light of those trends, it was hardly surprising when we found a significant increase in behaviors aimed at preserving and improving a driver's competitive advantage (relative position in the traffic flow), and in self-righteous (recognize THAT term?) attempts to enforce "safe" (in the driver's opinion) driving speeds, etc. on other drivers. In your court-case example, DID the VW deliberately cut off the Grand Am...and if so, why? Like you, our study employed several data-gathering techniques, including recorded self-report and stationary and mobile observers. Apparently unlike you, we used those techniques to study both the "aggressive" drivers you identify and the "obstructive" drivers you seem to brush off as "other" drivers. Our subjects (for the recording) were volunteers chosen from among the employees of the Corporate sponsors of the study and (unknown to them) classified according to observed driving patterns. In particular, this combination of outside observation and self-report allowed us to correlate external behaviors with internal states. We found the same range of emotional response and self-justification/ self-righteousness among both groups of drivers. In particular, we found approxiamtely the same level of aggression among both groups. We also found both groups expressing imagined motivations for other drivers' actions in condemnatory terms at about equal rates. While I do not condemn your attempts to improve the situation by educating the group you have targeted as aggressive drivers - indeed, I applaud it - I do object to your attempts to influence national policies based on your one-sided (and therefore somewhat misleading) analysis. In particular, I object to the way that you are helping shift focus from a major causitive factor and to reinforce some of the very policies and perceptions that have created the problem in the first place. If I were free to use those study results in an advocacy manner (which I am not - the sponsors have their own uses in mind), I would recommend: 1) A brief (2-3 year) national "crackdown" on obstructive driving, followed by a balance of enforcement between speed and obstruction, 2) A national campaign on a theme of "we're all in this [traffic] together" stressing cooperation in traffic and positive awareness of the drivers around and behind you, 3) A separate national campaign stressing the dangers of obstructive driving behaviors, their contribution to "road rage', their incompatibility with National Interest, and emotionally-charged positive (possible) reasons for the "other guy's" actions - such as medical emergencies (like the time I drove my profusely bleeding daughter to the emergency room), and 4) A change in driver education programs to stress cooperation, more awareness of drivers behind you, driving stress management, and the potentially dangerous effects that both aggressive and obstructive driving styles have on other drivers. ... among other things. I would invite you to turn your own analytic eye and resources toward those obstructive drivers, and to integrate your findings with those of your "aggressive driver" analyses. W.E. (Bill) Goodrich, PhD
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:35:34 -1000 From: Leon JamesTo: "W.E. 'Bill' Goodrich, PhD" Cc: DrDriving@aloha.net Subject: Re: Paparazzi rage and road rage Hi, Bill, I'm so glad you chose to write. I agree with all that you have said. I think your suggestions for a national campaign and program are well justified and I would support their implementation. At the same time, I would emphasize cultural re-training of drivers' attitudes and philosophy in sociodynamic settings (e.g., grassroots Quality Driving Circles in all neighborhoods). I think shared self-report exercises within a group context is the best longterm solution to re-training driving patterns and expectations. I agree I should bring in the historical correlation or setting. I like your use of the expression "obstructive driving" which overlaps with what I call "passive-aggressive road rage" and "quiet road rage" in my forthcoming book. I like your method of obtaining self-reports and third-party observations simultaneously. I agree that obstructive drivers are even a greater problem than some "aggressive drivers"--the term "vigilante drivers" is sometimes used. I've been flamed in the Newsgroups by failing to distinguish between "aggressive driving" and "assertive driving" and for failing to sufficiently focus on what you call obstructive driving. I'd be very interested in seeing a copy of your report if it's possible. Thanks again for writing and I'd be happy to hear your additional ideas on this issue which has been your focus of research. Leon